Carolina Shout – A Compromise
An artist I respect and admire once chewed me out because I wasn’t familiar with James P. Johnson’s Carolina Shout. The message was very clear: “Every jazz pianist should know this piece. Otherwise, you have no true relationship with the jazz piano tradition.”
Of course, my initial response to this statement was defensive. Who cares?!
Second: Guilt. Yeah, I should know this piece. I’d better check out Johnson if I want to be a true jazz pianist.
Third: Confusion. I do respect the jazz tradition. I’ve checked out lots of music from the 1920’s! I like music from the 1920’s! Why is knowing Carolina Shout so important?
Last: Acceptance. I don’t need to know Carolina Shout to make meaningful music. Maybe we’ll cross paths in the future, but for now, I’m going to keep on doing what I’m doing.
But one question remains: Why don’t I know Carolina Shout?
Here’s what I do know:
Most importantly, I know that I’m seriously dedicated to my craft and that if something warrants checking out, I check it out! I would describe myself as a diligent student of music.
But out of 22 years (I’m 25 now) of being in pre-school, elementary school, high school, music school, music camp and university, not one of my teachers ever mentioned James P. Johnson. I’ve been to many live concerts and I own a lot of music. I’ve never heard a performance of Carolina Shout. I’m not a jazz scholar (clearly), but I’ve read my fair share of biographies, blogs, essays, history books and theory books. I’ve never read about James P. Johnson. I’ve never seen or heard his name on television, the radio, magazines, newspapers, the Internet or any other form of mainstream media. And since hearing his name for the first time on this occasion, I haven’t heard of him since.
The real question: Why isn’t anybody talking about James P. Johnson?
I have no doubt that Johnson is an important figure in music history and that he contributed significantly to jazz culture. But if nobody talks about him, nobody’s going know him! If people talked about Johnson like they talk about Scott Joplin, George Gershwin, Oscar Peterson or J.S. Bach, then people would check him out!
The most telling part of this story is that I was one of ten pianists being chewed out that day. They never heard of him either! I’ll admit that some pianists are less diligent than others, but regardless, you have to admit that this isn’t only a case of pianists neglecting the jazz tradition. If ten diligent jazz pianists have never heard of a cultural icon, then something more revealing must be happening. I would argue that this is also a reflection of society neglecting the value of cultural preservation.
The deep question: Who’s responsible for preserving culture?
You are! We are!
If something moves us so deeply that we feel the duty to preserve it’s impact for later years and future generations, then we are responsible for making that contribution. The bottom line is that unless we do something about it, our generation is going to forget and worse, the next generations won’t know it ever existed! Write about it, speak about it, record it and perform it. And do it often!
It’s silly to assume that the younger generation will preserve culture. Not because their negligent, but because they can’t preserve what they’ve never heard of. The younger generation also won’t preserve what doesn’t move them. Carolina Shout was written almost 100 years ago. In cultural years, that’s a long time ago. And in many cases when it comes to art, the older it is, the harder it is for them to relate. Which is why you need the older generation to pass on their passion and enthusiasm. When I was young, my habits were at the mercy of the previous generation. Unfortunately, they missed an opportunity when it comes to the preservation of Carolina Shout.
(Side Note: This isn’t about Carolina Shout anymore. There’s a much bigger picture here. One that involves learning from our ancestors and not being part of a regressing culture.)
While we’re on the subject, a colleague of mine once gave me a funny look because I wasn’t familiar with Randy Weston’s playing. My best friend doesn’t know any songs by The Beatles and yesterday I heard someone laugh because their friend didn’t know who Susan Boyle was. For the diligent, this raises the last issue: You can’t know everything.
The lesson: Don’t chew people out for not knowing something. The reason they don’t know is because you never told them!
A compromise: I’ll give you permission to chew me out, but only if you chew out the entire jazz community too. We’re all in this together!
UPDATE: I’ve written a response (link)
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You should read about memes and cultural evolution. I have some books.
I’m 28, white, have never been a serious musician of any kind, and only really got interested in jazz partway through college, but I’ve heard Johnson’s name for years. This is probably due to my dad’s taste in music, and I wouldn’t be able to name “Carolina Shout” if you played me the opening, but I really don’t think Johnson is that obscure.
Your error, in my opinion, is assuming that you’ll learn all you need from school and mainstream media. The list of things those institutions leave out, whether purposefully or by accident, is long indeed. All the responsibility for learning does not rest on the teacher: some, if not all, rests on the student. You have to seek out and ask, not just wait to be told. I’ve made this mistake myself plenty of times.
On the other hand, the chewer perhaps originally erred in tone. When anyone tells me I’m stupid, foolish, or ignorant because I don’t know X, it doesn’t always make me want to check out X, but it does always make me annoyed with the person. But if someone I respect offers an invitation, “Oh, you don’t know X? You’re missing out, it’s great!” then I’m definitely interested in checking it out. (In this case I believe he was more pushy because for him it wasn’t just a matter of missing out on one musician, but was connected to much larger issues of race and cultural heritage.)
Don’t worry you didn’t know who James P. Johnson was, or the Carolina Shout. But he was a very famous pianist, very influential. I don’t think a person should be chewed out for not hearing of someone, or a particular piece; I would prefer to hip somebody to something, and hope they find it useful. Anyway, great book on jazz history, that includes info on this pianist, is “The Making of Jazz,” James Lincoln Collier, published 1978, so you see the limitation is is won’t have things you are definitely in the know about. Good luck!
Take responsibility for your own education and knowledge. This charge falls only on you.
You’re right. It is my responsibility to learn, but don’t forget it’s everybody’s responsibility to educate. Including yours. That’s how cultural preservation works! That’s the compromise! That’s what this is all about!
Your message seems to have an accusatory undertone Was it your intention to accuse me of being irresponsible? If so, stop doing that. Stop playing the blame game and pointing fingers. It’s very presumptuous and It divides the community on an issue that’s supposed to unite us! My music, resume and accomplishments speak for themselves. Trust me, I take my studies very seriously.
I wrote another response to this issue. Hopefully it explains things better. Please have a read and feel free to post your thoughts. Let’s discuss this further.
http://www.chrisdonnellymusic.com/Blog/Blog.php/re-carolina-shout-a-compromise
Respectfully,
Chris
The number of dead influential artists, and the amount of accumulated musical knowledge is growing exponentially with time. Though humans are living a bit longer with advances of medical science, for the most part the time that an artist has at his disposal for researching past musicians is NOT growing.
Not only is there not enough time in an artist’s life to tackle everything, the problem is getting worse!
This goes beyond music; it is a problem in many professions and it is why we are forced to choose our battles. The battles that are right for you are just that; there is no universally best approach to music, quantum physics, or lion-taming. What you, personally, want to achieve within your profession dictates what you, personally, need to focus on. Any mentor or teacher who doesn’t understand this is not a good one.
It’s natural to look back on the battles we’ve chosen and question whether they were the right ones. Keep this in mind when someone remarks about a battle that they fought but you didn’t: their remark may be motivated more by their need to feel like they haven’t been wasting their time than by an honest desire to enlighten you.